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Happy Turkey Day, Denver.
more "bootlegs" etc as thats his type of game and where he is at his best! Denver was exposed last night as they were against Indy, and untill they figure out a better passing defense they wont win many more games, and lots of players are to blame for this loss, not just one! Did anyone else see the lousy defense that couldnt stop SD with their back to back touchdowns--pathetic!! All teams make mistakes, from the Coaches bad plays called, to receivers who cant get open, to bad defense, to bad tackling, to a line that cant protect the passer, and also quarterbacks make mistakes under pressure, and thats how it is! A different quaterback wouldnt solve all those problems, as trying to simply out-score the opponent doesnt always work?? SD was clearly the better team last night and thats the bottom line!
In critical moments, Plummer turned the ball over. He single handedly handed the game to St. Louis to begin the season and found ways to get Indy back in the game via turnovers. Even Oakland remained a close game because Plummer does not know how to manage the game when it counts.
Last night's game was case in point. On 4th and 4 from our own 30-ish (a horrendous play calling decision by Shanahan), Plummer throws an interception. Then, in spite of everything, the Broncos are able to get in position for a tying score. And Plummer coughs it up one last time.
SHANAHAN - LET THE JAY CUTLER ERA BEGIN! WE ARE TIRED OF PLUMMER COSTING US THE BIG GAMES!
GO ORANGE and BLUE!!!
While Jake did not have a good game, he did not lose this game for the Broncos. Stop holding him underneath the damn microscope.
Two things lost us the game:
1. Special Teams was HORRIBLE. Even horrible is not a strong enough term for it.
2. The Defense. Well, not all of the defense. While watching the game, did anyone else notice that Mr. Fergeson spent all of his time WHIFFING on tackles and chasing LT down the fields. I had not seen that bad of tackling since Pee-Wee football. I believe that the injury at safety was the most critical one for this defense last week.
The season is not over yet. It will be if we continue with this pathetic show of offense. Here are the top 3 things i would do to keep the Broncos hopes alive to play deep into the play offs this season:
1) Start playing Cutler. Jake is FINISHED.
2) Start Playing Cutler. Jake is FINISHED.
3) Start playing Cutler. Jake is FINISHED.
Regards
-raghu
Defensive coordinater for any team facing Jake Plummer.
While the running game seemed to finally move the ball, the passing was anemic. Why can't both be properous at the same time. What about the tight ends only getting one pass or so the whole game? When it was 4th down and 4 yards, seems the TE would have already lulled the defense to sleep for an easy 5 yard pass? I can't understand, why after taking a time out to get the right play called - the offense can't execute.
Denver's defense was awful and lousy the second half. No real pressure on Rivers the second half and denver's linebacks & secondary were giving way too much cushion on pass defense.
What's with Ernster? He was punting great when he was earning the position, now he's pretty inconsistent. Maybe Shanahan needs to tell him he has a pink slip with his name on it if he can't get the job done. The special teams are giving away too much field position away and can't tackle.
Denver can't be a serious playpoff contender if the offense can't score more than 20 points in a game and the defense can't stop teams on third down.
Why is it when Denver has the opportunity to control their own destiny, especially at home, they fail so miserably to a National audience? They knew this game would be crucial to winning the AFC West and gave up the second half.
Please coach Shanahan start Cutler and let's move on.
So, how did Jake do against 2nd & 3rd string guys? Oh, you're telling me that our #1 QB can't take advantage of a defense that resembled a MASH unit??? Please! Broncos were EXPOSED in every aspect last night. But, in particular, our No. 1 QB, in a game at home, playing in front of a national audience, for a 1+ game lead in the AFC West, passed for a rating of 53.1 against a 2nd & 3rd string defense. That's right...53.1. Just AWFUL! And for all those 'Support Jake' and 'he'll get better' comments, please, leave those thoughts to yourself. We're sick and tired of it already!!!
Hell, it's amazing that they have won seven games! Jake has no offensive threats besides Walker. Looks like it wasn't such a good idea to run Ashley Lelie out of town.
Power of internet,
Mike from California
Now there is a guy who could run a bootleg!
If Denver was going to make a move at QB they should have done it before this week.Shanahan is so stubborn, he has really blown it. I think he has turned into a choker as a coach.Losing last night is really a season killer.His offensive style is so stale, he has turned into Dan Reeves, a good coach with average players who are over achievers. He has an unwillingness to change his style.Reeves always played not to lose and Shanny is the same way. With Elway you always had a shot to make a play on 3rd and 8.With Plummer, you are just hoping he dosent throw an interception or fumble the ball.They are back to the Brian Griese offense, its getting unbearable to watch.
I cant blame the defense, they get worn out having to deal with all the 3 and outs from the offense.The pass rush suffers in the second half because the guys get tired from being out there so much. They even scored 7 of the 27 pts last night and that wasn't enough.I dont understand how they thought losing Trevor Pryce was going to upgrade there defensive pass rush.
The only way Shanny will play Cutler is if Pat Bowlen tells him to or Plummer gets hurt.
Your year is over. Plummer couldn't hit a billboard from twenty paces. Your defense ran for cover in the second half, they didn't even see LT much less stop him. Your Center tried to take out Oshansky with a cut block, which truly shows the cowardice of your Defensive Team. We are looking forward to your upcoming visit to Our House. We will knock you out of any Wild Card hopes. Your finished!
- The CB always are off of the receiver by 6-10 yards.
- Absolutely no pressure on the QB
- Darrent is a good CB, but as last night showed, his size is a liability
as for the offense, i see only one failure
- JAKE THE F^#%^^ FAKE, holy cow
how come everyone else on the offense gets benched, when they are doing a pretty good job. But the one who actually makes them look like they can't do anything is still playing. The team should revolt against Jake, he is the one who should be benched. I mean how much worse could it be with Cutler in there? THen losses wouldn't be so bad, it would at least show that they were trying to make an attempt to better the team. Might as well let him get his bumps and bruises this year and get those first rookie games out of his system. Then next year he will have a good sense of what is going on. Otherwise he will just be a raw rookie next year, and we will have to wait another year for a look into the playoffs. ANyways, whatever they do they need to bench PLUMMER, he is a loser, and a boneheaded QB.
shore up the d let the d-line go get the qb with a straight rush and
TURN THE PAGE ON THE PLAYBOOK FOR THE OFFENSE EVERYBODY HAS CAUGHT ON TO YOUR PLAYS !!!!!!!!!
No Gary Kubiak
Denver's passing attack is so vanilla, it’s no wonder it’s easy to defend against. The one drive all year that utilized the tight ends resulted in a quick touchdown. Throwing to the tight ends makes the linebackers have to focus on coverage and takes them out of their run defense. It also commands the attention of the safeties, allowing the wide outs more freedom. Its also simple economics. If there are 5 people you think might get the ball, you are less aggressive and more reactive.
Plummer showed us all what he was about in the AFC Champ game and has continued all year. When its time to lead by example and show his team mates that he is determined to win, he sags his head, drops his shoulders and mopes. Then he makes a costly mistake. It is understandable with a rookie, or with someone new to a system, but with a 10 year vet with this many years in the system it is unacceptable. Shanahan, your loyalty is undermining all of your preaching about 'high standards'
Defense -- Man under press coverage. You have fast corners, use them.
Offense -- Tight ends good! Get the safeties off of Javon.
QB -- Standards are mute if they don’t apply to everyone.
HE RETURNED AN INT FOR A TD. What the hell else do you want??
Plummer is a known. We know he stinks!!!!
Roll the dice Shanny!
SAN DIEGO GOES UP BY 3 IN THE 1ST QUARTER, AND SCHOTTENHEIMER IS ALREADY PLAYING FOR OVERTIME. HA HA HA.
Laugh all you want Charger fans, facts remain. We've won Super Bowls,
SAN DIEGO HASN'T WON S(-)1T!!!!
7-3 is still good for the 4th seed!
HE IS WHAT HE IS....A MARGINAL PRO QB AND WITHOUT A RUNNING GAME...HE GETS EXPOSED!!
IT IS KNOWN IN THE NFL THAT D-BACKS SALIVATE WHEN THEY PLAY JAKE THE FAKE!
1) Play CUTLER now! Jake needs a wake-up-call at least temporarily. Plummer is playing poorly and needs to be pushed to want to play. He's not accurate, crisp, and is making poor decisions.
2) Attack the QB on defense. Let the DB's do their job and send 5 or six every time. This will keep the QB off balance, cause more turnovers, and utilize our LB's speed to creat havock. We did this in the 1st qtr vs. San Diego and it worked.
3) Attack on special teams. Be fundamental, but attack.
I felt part of the problem in the second half was the play calling on both sides of the ball. Why not put Jake on the boot leg? Why play a soft zone defense? The second half was a disaster. Sure SD chargers have a great team but why not throw to your tight ends. I come to the conclusion they need to just get out there and play ball. I don't think they will go to the Super Bowl this year but I will keep yelling for them. Hope they can win a few more.
Comments???
park.
It's clear that at the root of their break downs this year, Denver's passing game (or the lack thereof) is commonly the weakest link.
1. Plummer plays like a rookie and makes rookie mistakes. Cutler is a rookie who will make rookie mistakes. How much would you really expect out of Cutler when he would have to go into KC and SD against a full-strength Charger D?
2. Look at how much better the D has been playing in the first half, just like how they were playing in the first 6 games of the season. But when your offense can't sustain a drive to save their lives, the D ends up being on the field far, far too long. Its a long season and when you're out on the field all the time, the fatigue catches up with you. Add to that the fact that Coyer tries to prevent big plays by instead giving up anything and everything under 15 yards, the D is forced to chase after wide open receivers all day, and get right back on the field when the O goes 3-and-out in the 2nd half.
3. I knew that Gary Kubiak was too good to be a coordinator forever, but don't you think Shanahan and Plummer both really miss him right now?
4. Stop wearing those ugly, ugly blue pants. They make the Broncos uniforms look almost as bad as the Seahawks.
I am actually not in favor of yanking Plummer yet, but he is certainly frustrating to watch. Any chance we can get the Duke of Denver to suit up for the playoffs?
All in all, you guys gotta do something about your passing game - you could be great if you had one.
Maybe somebody will be taken lightly by San Diego and they'll lose so maybe we can get back into the race. I don't like our chances but one has to hope.
Nobody here cares about your comments, or if the chiefs can squeak out a playoff birth and choke in the playoffs like they always do.
Oh, and congrats on barely beating the raiders at home(wow).
Get off Nalens case,it was in the heat of the battle. Oshansky got the penalty and probably will be fined by the
Nfl for beating on Nalens head(Is that what the Chargers teach there players to do?). Madden didnt say it was a cheapshot on TV, so stop whinning about it.
Also stop posing as a Bronco fan on the internet!
Once Merriman returns and the front 7 is healthy the entire team will be scary. Nice to see the Broncos and KC in the rear mirror with 3 home games in the next four weeks.
Cutler... Cutler... Cutler... Cutler... Cutler... Cutler...
I have retired this year, as over with. Even, if the Broncos go into the play offs; the Broncos will lose in the first go around. Use this year as a learning, fix it and get ready for next year.
Where did all those excellent players go from last year? You expect the team to improve over last year.
Nalens a punk and everyone near us had the same opinion about him. HIs act has grown old and its time to find his replacement now! Win with honor, lose with grace!!!
Why dont you lay off Nalen and stop posing as a BroncoFan.
Im starting to wonder if Tom Nalen stole your lunch money when you we're a child.
Im sure if he did something wrong he will be fined, it is on video tape after all.
Why dont you be a sport and give up your tickets to a true Bronco fan who dosent dog his own team about a trivial play that no one but you cares about.Okay, buh-bye
As much as I blast Jake, and he whole heartedly deserves it, I feel that we really need to start second guessing the Head Coach. I mean, he is practically our GM, too, right? He's the guy making the selections of players, assistant coaches, deciding who plays and doesn't and more importantly, what plays and schemes are being called. In my opinion, the decisions being made are continually backfiring!!!
1) I just don't understand who we're fooling by not blitzing. We didn't improve our pass rush over the off-season, which is the No 1 reason we were blitzing to begin with! And, last time I checked, it carried us to the AFC Finale.
2) Shanny decides to let go how many 1K runners over the past 4 years. He's so screwy that he can't pick 1 RB and just stick with him. Does he think he's fooling the other team by keeping it a secret? Uh, NO!
3) You (Shanny) intentionally keep Jake in the pocket when you know he is more productive rolling out. Who are you trying to fool by forcing him to become what he's not - A Pocket Passer! And, not doing one bootleg against SD is unforgivable! Especially on the 4th and 4. Trickery? No, you're fooling yourself!
4) In games where your line & running game is dominating, you abandon it and begin forcing Jake to throw the ball. Why? Who are you trying to fool? Nobody but Yourself!
4) Although we have the fastest defense in the league, we play zone. I don't get that. That's a defense scripted for slow LB's and corners who can't cover 1-on-1. I'm sorry, I feel we can match up with anyone. By 'tricking' the league, we're just leaving 'holes' and 'pockets' wide open for accurate passers to take advantage of. I guess the trick is on Coyer and Shanny. Why even draft fast LB's and corners if we're just going to play zone? It's a waste of their talent and they'll get lazy and beat all day long!!!
5) The west coast offense is anchored by getting the ball to your TE and slant passes to your WR's, yet, we rarely do either. Are we fooling the D by going outside the scheme? No, we're just limiting our opportunities and allowing teams to double on each WR. I mean if we're not throwing to the RB or TE, what options does Jake have? It doesn't take a defensive genius to just key on Javon or Rod, does it?
It's obvious Shanny is over-thinking entirely way to much and trying to do the opposite of what the situation calls for and the decisions being made out there are very questionable and are now costing us games!
Hey Shanny, do us all a favor and play the game the way it's to be played and let the talent you have go out and make plays! You actually may surprise the opponent who is preparing for your trickery!!
What about a stud rookie QB? Leinart and Young both have lower ratings than Plummer. Big Ben? How about 17 picks. So really, why would Cutler be much better?
I'm all for an experiment with Cutler at this point, but I don't expect much. Maybe the receivers will get open for him, or stop dropping balls. Maybe the line will protect him better. I hope so.
If Denver loses to KC behind bad play of Plummer, Shanahan needs to bench him, at least for a game. Jake is not smart enough to help himself for next year. Let alone the team this year. That much is obvious. Don't expect any big contracts when you get traded next year, Jake. No fool wants a starting hippy QB with a inaccurate mediocre arm, who can't read a pass defense or pass from the pocket. The one thing Jake has has cornered, he's resilient and never seems to get hurt. I wonder how many Broncos fans are buying Voodoo dolls and putting you number on them??? Jake's play is asphyxiating! With all us fans holding our breath (for longgg stretches of time)it's no wonder Shanahan is stressed.
Shanahan, do yourself a favor -start Culter. He may be that breath of fresh air this team so desperately needs.
Your a bitter man.The CHEFS are not as good as they think are,YOUR BRONCOS should win.Oh by the way if you can make to S.D. on Dec. 10th I'll give you my other seat so I can laugh at the cheaters,uh, I mean OOOOfensive Line.
Tuna Out!!
To bad he had to ruin a big win with his dirty play.
I hope the NFL keeps an eye on him now!
- Playing from Ahead
7 TD & 1 INT
- Playing from Behind
2 TD & 8 INT
Jake has proven he can not play from behind; and after this last game he has shown he can not play when ahead. I would rather have B.V.P (B. Van Pelt)
Charger’s have just too many weapons for any defense to cover. So, don’t feel bad and just chalk it up as another loss.
BTW: Well said, BigBroncosFan. Nice to know there are still Broncos fans that simply know the difference between wrong and right. What Nalen did was not cool. Any true football fan knows this.
See you on Dec. 10th at our house. And like Big Al says, leave your hottie girlfriend behind in SD. We’ll take good care of them. : )
As for the comment about the Charger suspended for Steroids, he states that it was a mistake by the league and since he has been tested many times prior to this and many times since this and came up clean, I'll take his word on it just as you would if it happened to a Bronco's player.
As for Nalen, no way he can say in was in the heat of the battle. No way anyone can say that he was just giving 100 percent, it was a spike play! EVERYBODY in the stadium knew it was a spike play. Nalen saw that Olshansky was not coming towards him and it was after the play was finished that he threw himself at the recently surgically repaired knee of Olshansky. Its a cheapshot, no matter what team you root for. Had a Charger done it to a Bronco player or any other player in this league, I'd be apologizing instead of defending the culprit.
Seems like a few Bronco's players and fans need sportsmanship lessons...
Albeit a violent sport, the NFL is still considered, by many, a gentleman's game. Play hard with heart and soul, with honor and integrity. There is no room for cheap shots when the ball is being spiked just because you got your ass kicked all night. Have some pride. Shake hands, say you got me today, but I’ll bring my best on the next game…
Quit whining so much about Jake. He's not the worst QB in the league and Cutler will not be a quick fix, nor is he a guarantee for success. He’s untested and played against scrubs in the pre-season. Your D needs to be checked along with the sissy, chop blocking, cheating O line.
The local radio talk show had Igor speaking his mind today and he along with the rest of his brothers are pretty disappointed by that cowardly act. You can bet that they'll bring a little something extra for your boys on Dec. 10th. It's going to be a dog fight!
For the record; Foley did not try to shoot a cop, he never even had a gun. The cop shot him. So, he may have had a drink and drove his car (which we don't condone), but that's no reason to shoot a guy.
Hey CB, rooting for your team is great and all. And many Chargers fans have always regarded the Broncos organization of being a class act. But if ‘you’ or any football Broncos fan can condone what Nalen did was not forthcoming, it is a sad day for Denver, folks.
God Bless America!
Todd Sauerbrun who was suspended for four games for drugs.
Maurice Clarett... enough said!
Former tight end Clarence Kay...
Darrent Williams having weed in his car and for all we know, he's a frequent smoker of it...
Enough said!!!
As for the Chargers player Steve Foley. It doesn't take one long to check the facts of the case and see that he didn't shoot a police office or even attempt to. It sounds like an unfortunate circumstance that he got himself into.
And Merriman's case seem quite reasonable once one checks into the case on the internet. Sounds like he took a supplement that wasn't steroids but he got one container where the manufacturer put it in without putting it on the label. It could happen to any player unfortunately!!!!!! They all take supplements on a regular basis.
I won't condone what Nalen did, he should have been penalized as well. How the Chargers player reacted was even resonalbe given the situation but he will get fined as he should. Hopefully the Chargers can get past this and Nalen won't be intentionally injured on Dec 10th as has been suggested here.
Go Bronco's... keep up the pace and we'll catch them Chargers on the 10th!
Live in the present, and not in the past. You know it's eating at you that the Chargers won. Please do not sound like those pathetic Raider fans that I know in So Cal. All they have is the past. You have to admit it, this is the CHARGERS time. Go BOLTS!!!
Did you guys just hear? The NFL officials got this one right; Nalen has just been fined $25K and Olshansky $10K by the league
It's reassuring to know that the NFL has fully acknowledged the fact that Nalen's cheap, unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated. However, I’m surprised that the Bronco’s officials are ‘furious’ of the decision by the league…?
As previously mentioned, Igor's brothers aren’t very appreciative of Mr. Nalen's actions.
But we won’t go for you knees, the Chargers have too many ‘character guys’ on the team; but you can bet we’ll smack you in the teeth on every play. We are coming for you! By the way Tommy, Dec. 10th will be Merriman’s second game back, all warmed up. I know he’s licking his chops right now. If I were you, I’d be sca-old, very sca-old!
You babies have never won a superbowl and for that matter can't even sell out your own stadium on a winning year. The only reason your home games are not blacked out is because your owner gives the left over tickets to the military so they can take their familys to a game. Every year the Raiders fans take up two thirds of Qualcom because the pathetic San Diego fans are scared they might get beat up in their own stadium. Dec 10th come on down Bronco fans there will be plenty of tickets. The chargers got so much support in San Diego the owner is considering moving the team to the boarder town of Chula Vista. What a joke ! What's the new name going to be the Chula Vista fence jumpers.
Now, go away, I have a real football team to think about.
Will Shottenheimer do the same with Merriman???NO WAY, and all the classy san diego fans who are so appalled at a chop block, are foaming at the mouth to get him back.
-Foley was driving drunk and on steroids and when stopped by a cop he was shot because the cop thought he was reaching for a weapon, than his passenger tried to run the cop down and is on trial for it. Talk about a bad day!
-Maurice Clarett was given a chance by the broncos to turn his career around and he refused their help.They really tried to get throught to him from what I heard. He wasn't on the broncos when he was arrested.
-Had not heard about Darrents weed problem, but he wont be around the organization very long if he does smoke it.
(They do Drug testing in the NFL, dont they???)
-I was always embarrassed to have Romo on the team.I admit he was a dirty player.He also always had a good excuse about using supplements(Like Merriman) and never admitted to it until he retired.
I think Igor is trying to justify loosing his cool on National tv and getting chewed out bigtime by his coach and almost letting Denver back into the game when they we're beaten.
The NFL has no problem fining Bronco players, ask John Lynch. I have heard other teams whin about denver's chop blocking for years and I have seen Denver actually called for an illegal chop block maybe 3 times in 10 yrs. I can't recall 1 lineman ever being fined for a chop block.
I haven't heard of any mention that Nalen will be fined either, but if he is I will be suprised.
Why did Shottenheimer apoligize to Shanahan about the Nalen episode after the game instead of the other way around??
I think if anyone showed good sportmanship it was Marty, Igor and the whinny SD fans should take notice and stop talking about retaliating.
And try not to have any knife fights in the stands this week when you play the Raiders.Show some sportsmanship!
Denver has had its share so pick a new topic. You lost - deal with it and the fact this is not your year. Keep talking about Dec 10th because that game will not be so close. Give SD its due - they deserve it.
#53 As a 12 year Charger fan you are not well informed. Marty doesn't make ANY offensive play calls. ALL offensive play calls are made by Cam Cameron. So get your facts together.
#67 "it’s been a long-time waiting since the Fouts/Coryell era. It is San Diego’s turn to dominate." Not a bad recovery after the Ryan Leaf debacle.
#72 Couldn'r have said it better myself
I just got sick of hearing all the whining about Nalens stupid play at the end of the game. Apparently it has paid off as 5 time pro bowler Nalen was fined more than whats his name(Igor).Whopee!!
I hope that San diego does try to retaliate in the next game, because they probably will get thrown out of the game and Denver could sneek a way with a win. I still think denver has a chance to win the division, San diego always loses focus this time of year as football is not life or death in SoCal.
Did LT look like he was losing his focus?
FYI, the Chargers are undefeated this month, with the horrible Homies (Raiders)coming into town.
LT-22 tds
Raiders offense-8 tds
The Chargers smell a playoff bye and home game. Ergo, there won't be a let down.
Good luck in KC.
Tnx!